[osis-core] RE: What is happening
Patrick Durusau
pdurusau at emory.edu
Mon Oct 11 13:53:38 MST 2004
Guys,
I am hopeful we can finally put both the latest version of the schema
and the Users Manual to bed by the end of October.
Seems like the book names is one of those issues we need to address.
Any comments on how the book names came to be in the first place? Chris
Little seems to indicate in a prior post that they are found in Ralfs
LXX. Which is fine but that does not make it another book of Judges for
example.
In other words, we don't have a name for the book of Judges in Aramaic,
versus Greek, versus Hebrew, even if it is an old translation of the same.
Hope everyone is having a great day!
Patrick
Patrick Durusau wrote:
> Kees,
>
> Thanks for asking Fred for the overview and thanks to Fred for providing
> it!
>
> I see what may be part of the problem, you want to make references to
> different versions by book name? Ah, ok, that makes sense. So that you
> can distinguish a reference to Judges(Vaticanus) from Judges(otherwise)?
> And you want it to be a standard set of names?
>
> BTW, you say: "The Septuagint contains two versions of Daniel. That
> goes for Susanna and Bel and the Dragon too."
>
> Does that mean we need three names for Daniel? (the standard one plus
> two for the different versions in the Septuagint?)
>
> Questions:
>
> Does everyone agree that for reference purposes, we need standard names
> to refer to the 8 books that Fred has listed?
>
> I think of these as versions, with the exception of Odae, which we would
> handle in the header for an OSIS encoded document, but I think he wants
> to be able to construct references to particular versions of books.
> Normally I would say handle that in the OSIS header but these are going
> to be common across all commentaries, etc.
>
> Comments/suggestions?
>
> Hope everyone is having a great day!
>
> Patrick
>
>>
>> You have 84 books already listed The 66 standard books (not listed
>> here) and 18 Apocrypha books (listed below) which leaves 8 books you
>> don't cover
>>
>> Paratext position Three letter code OSIS name
>> 68 Tob Tob
>> 69 Jdt Jdt
>> 70 Esg AddEsth
>> 71 Wis Wis
>> 72 Sir Sir
>> 73 Bar Bar
>> 74 Lje EpJer
>> 75 S3Y PrAzar
>> 76 Sus Sus
>> 77 Bel Bel
>> 78 1Ma 1Macc
>> 79 2Ma 2Macc
>> 80 3Ma 3Macc
>> 81 4Ma 4Macc
>> 82 1Es 1Esd
>> 83 2Es 2Esd
>> 84 Man PrMan
>> 85 Ps2 PssSol
>>
>> Your software does not process any number higher than the above
>>
>> The 8 books not covered in the OSIS schema are:-
>>
>> Paratext position Three letter code Information from Paratext
>> Chapters
>> 86 ODA
>> Odae 14
>> 87 PSS Psalms of
>> Solomon 18
>> 88 JSA Joshua A
>> 24
>> 89 JDB Judges
>> B 21
>> 90 TBS Tobit S
>> 14
>> 91 SST Susannah
>> Th 1
>> 92 DNT Daniel
>> Th 12
>> 93 BLT Bel and the
>> Dragon 1
>> Note: Daniel Th. is the Daniel version by Theodotion which
>> is a revision of the Septuagint. The Septuagint contains two versions
>> of Daniel. That goes for Susanna and Bel and the Dragon too.
>>
>> For Joshua there are the "classic" Joshua and part of the book of
>> Joshua from the Codex Alexandrinus which has been added in Rahlfs'
>> version of the Septuagint. This latter version only contains of part
>> of chapter 15.
>>
>> For Judges there are two versions as well, which are both complete.
>> The "extra" book of Judges found in Rahlfs is the one from the Codex
>> Vaticanus.
>>
>> Odae is from the Septuagint as well. These are songs but they are
>> different from the Psalms of Solomon. The book Odae actually is a
>> collection of songs from both the Old and New Testaments, like the
>> song of Moses (Exodus 15), Hannah (1 Samuel 2), Mary (Luke 1), etc.
>>
>> Tobit S. is an additional version of Tobit from the Codex Sinaiticus.
>>
>>
>> Regarding Chapters and verses these are covered in the .vrs files
>> which you already have.
>> The OSIS team need to talk with someone in UBS to get this sorted
>> because it will keep cropping up because these books exist even though
>> OSIS does not recognise them
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Todd Tillinghast <mailto:todd at contentframeworks.com>
>> To: 'Fred Mellings' <mailto:fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:31 PM
>> Subject: RE: What is happening
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>>
>> I am not sure which 6 you are talking about exactly but I think
>> there is enough confusion that the UBS will have to make a statement
>> about at least a couple.
>>
>>
>> Can you list the six UBS Bible book names that seem unclear to you
>> along with how many chapters (and what their numbers are if they
>> don?t start with ?1?) and how many verses if they only have one
>> chapter?
>>
>> I will offer my opinion on the ones that seem clear.
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred Mellings [mailto:fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:03 AM
>> To: Todd Tillinghast
>> Subject: Re: What is happening
>>
>>
>> Todd,
>>
>> Isn't the description (from the Paratext help) that someone sent
>> enough?
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Todd Tillinghast <mailto:todd at contentframeworks.com>
>>
>> To: 'Fred Mellings' <mailto:fredmellings at tiscali.co.uk>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:09 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: What is happening
>>
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>>
>> I am not sure we can really make a reliable assessment regarding
>> the identification of the 6 extra books without the UBS clearly
>> stating what they mean for the files to be.
>>
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>>
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Society of Biblical Literature
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Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
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