!RE: [osis-core] Alternat text

[Todd Tillinghast]

Patrick,

Depending on the translation there are two different endings.  For
example the CEV has Mark 16:9-20 AND a different Mark 16:9-10.

In the Spanish VP there are a number of passages in the gospels (not the
end of Mark) that are rendered with brackets, possibly we can get Mike
to scan the pages and email them to us since he can probably get his
hands on the VP in his office.

Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:16 PM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Re: !RE: [osis-core] Alternat text
> 
> Todd,
> 
> What you describe looks a lot like <rdg> and <rdgGrp> (the latter
being
> a new element to contain <rdg>. Note that <rdg> does not have <title>.
> 
> But, further note that in the one or two editions I have looked at,
the
> text is not presented as alternative readings, at least in the
> traditional sense of the word. That is to say that there is additional
> text, not alternative text that forms the material we want to mark.
> (sorry, no pun intended)
> 
> In other words, I think we need to distinguish between cases where
there
> is truly an alternative text,
> 
> <text1>When in the beginning...</text1>
> 
> <text2>Long ago and far away...</text2>
> 
> versus a text where additional material is presented that is not found
> in the "main" text.
> 
> Yes, I realize that the entire text could be considered as a base text
> that duplicates up to that point and the "text" of the main text after
> than is null but that is more of a theoretical concern than a
practical
> one.
> 
> Certainly don't want:
> 
> <verse osisID="kjv.mark.16.9"></verse>
> <verse osisID="niv.mark.16.9">When Jesus rose early on the first
> day...</verse>
> 
> Is there some reason why you object to the use of a <div> to set off
the
> alternative ending and some attribute value to mark it as an
alternative?
> 
> Hope you are having a great day!
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> > Patrick,
> >
> > There are three cases for the end of Mark:
> > 1) There is a main version and a secondary version (often rendered
in
> > brackets).
> > 2) There are two equal alternant versions.
> > 3) There is a main version and the alternant is in a footnote (this
case
> > is reasonably handled)
> >
> > There are other cases where the same situations as the end of Mark
exist
> > AND there is the case where there is not alternant but the text is
> > "tentative".
> >
> > It seems that a container that holds all of the alternant versions
and
> > marks them based on their alternant status would to the best.
> >
> > <alternantText> <!-- one main and one secondary version -->
> >    <alternant type="primary">...</alternant>
> >    <alternant type="secondary">...</alternant>
> > </alternantText>
> >
> > <alternantText> <!-- two equal alternant versions -->
> >    <alternant type="primary">...</alternant>
> >    <alternant type="primary">...</alternant>
> > </alternantText>
> >
> > <alternantText>
> >    <alternant type="tenative">...</alternant> <!-- for the case of
> > "tentative" text, I am sure "tentative" is the wrong word for it -->
> > </alternantText>
> >
> > You could put <note> and <title> elements within <alternantText> and
> > <alternant> (rendering process could choose to render notes that are
> > direct children of <alternantText> or <alternant> inline in the
footer
> > based on style preferences).
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> >>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:37 PM
> >>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> >>Subject: Re: [osis-core] Alternat text
> >>
> >>Todd,
> >>
> >>Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> >>
> >>>We talked about but did not conclude anything regarding alternant
or
> >>>"tentative" text.
> >>>
> >>>Alternant endings to Mark and other places where alternant text is
> >>>places in the main flow of the text.
> >>>
> >>>Can we find a solution for this one?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sure, don't encode alternate endings. :-)
> >>
> >>Seriously, looked at the NIV, which separate the alternate ending
with
> >
> > a
> >
> >>bar across the column and a note that reads: "[The earliest
> >
> > manuscripts
> >
> >>and some other ancient witnesses don't have Mark.16-9-20.]"
> >>
> >>So, looks like an addition <div>, since it is clearly setoff from
the
> >>principal text. The portion that reads: "[The earliest...]" looks
like
> >
> > a
> >
> >>note to me. Does display inline, which is odd but I don't know of
any
> >>reason why that could not be done.
> >>
> >>Since the alternate endings are well known, don't we know that a
> >>reference to Mark.16.19 or higher is a reference to a non-standard
> >>ending of Mark?
> >>
> >>Hope you are having a great day!
> >>
> >>Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Todd
> >>>
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