Supplemental: Re: [osis-core] 1.9.5 (no errors) -- Strong's numbers

[Todd Tillinghast]

Patrick,

If you meant that the prefix "strongs" in lemma="strongs:1234" would not
be in a regex, that is fine with me.

The question is do Troy and Chris have a problem with NOT having a
standardized prefix for strongs numbers and having to dereference the
prefix to the <work> element to determine the type of value they are
handling.

The following would be equivalent:
Case 1:
<osisText ...>
   <work osisWork="strongs">
      ...
      <identifier type="OSIS">the proper identifier including version of
strongs numbers</identifier>
      ...
   </work>
   <div>
      <w lemma="stongs:1234 strongs:4553">text</w>
   </div>
</osisText>

Case 2:
<osisText ...>
   <work osisWork="s">
      ...
      <identifier type="OSIS">the proper identifier including version of
strongs numbers</identifier>
      ...
   </work>
   <div>
      <w lemma="s:1234 s:4553">text</w>
   </div>
</osisText>

Troy, Chris?

Todd


> -----Original Message-----
> From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 11:31 AM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Supplemental: Re: [osis-core] 1.9.5 (no errors) -- Strong's
> numbers
> 
> Todd,
> 
> BTW, the result of that action would be to not enumerate Strongs, GK,
etc.
> 
> Can live with that. Would be better to have those systems documented
in
> work anyway and there are some advantages to using that regex.
> 
> Hope you are having a great day!
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> > Chris and Patrick,
> >
> > I believe that Chris' solution will not give him what he is looking
for
> > without making the attribute an xsd:list the same way osisID and
> > annotateRef are.  We have an opportunity to make the attributes in
<w>
> > more robust by adopting the same regex form as osisID.  This way the
> > prefix could be defined clearly with a <work> element.
> >
> > Ex:
> > <osisText ...>
> >    <work osisWork="strongs">
> >       ...
> >       <identifier type="OSIS">the proper identifier including
version of
> > strongs numbers</identifier>
> >       ...
> >    </work>
> >    <work osisWork="x">
> >       ...
> >       <identifier type="OSIS">the proper identifier</identifier>
> >       ...
> >    </work>
> >    <div>
> >       <w lemma="stongs:1234 strongs:4553 x:Text>text</w>
> >    </div>
> > </osisText>
> >
> > This eliminates the need for the "|" character to separate values
AND
> > provides for the file size to be greatly reduced by using "s" rather
> > than "strongs".
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> >>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:31 AM
> >>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> >>Subject: Re: [osis-core] 1.9.5 (no errors) -- Strong's numbers
> >>
> >>Chris,
> >>
> >>Unlike some issues, ;-), there has not been a hugh chorus on this
one.
> >>
> >>I will post something directly to Kirk Lowery as he would be more
> >
> > likely
> >
> >>to know if there are any other common lemma designations
> >
> > (Westminster?)
> >
> >>that we need to include on the OT side anyway.
> >>
> >>Assuming no show stoppers, look for it as you outline in 1.9.6
(coming
> >>later today).
> >>
> >>Hope you are having a great day!
> >>
> >>Patrick
> >>
> >>Chris Little wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Patrick Durusau wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Any thing else that looks like a critical issue?
> >>>>
> >>>>BTW, since we are getting close to a major and hopefully stable
> >>>>release, please let me know when I can call tomorrow or Friday
> >>>
> > (Chris,
> >
> >>>>please send a phone number off list) to make one final round of
the
> >>>>group before we close the blast doors and fire our weapons. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Patrick,
> >>>
> >>>I'm quite hesitant to mention this, especially so near release, but
> >>
> > your
> >
> >>>mention of moving into a stable major release suggests maybe we
> >>
> > should
> >
> >>>address this now, especially since the solution is fairly obvious
> >>
> > and
> >
> >>>painless to implement.
> >>>
> >>>Moving towards 1.0, we added the lemma attribute to the <w> element
> >>
> > as a
> >
> >>>way to contain data such as Strong's number.  The attribute has the
> >>
> > type
> >
> >>>attributeExtension since we didn't want to deal with the issues
> >>>surrounding it at that point.
> >>>
> >>>Now heading into 2.0, Strong's numbers are one of the few instances
> >>>where I still find I need to use attributeExtension, though it is a
> >>>fairly pedestrian need.
> >>>
> >>>I would recommend (unless we just decide to put it off a while
> >>>longer--which I could certainly understand):
> >>>
> >>>1) create a simple type, "osisLemma" that contains a single
> >>
> > enumerated
> >
> >>>value: "Strong"
> >>>2) create a simple type, "wLemma" that is the union "osisLemma" and
> >>>"attributeExtension"
> >>>3) change the type of lemma to "wLemma"
> >>>
> >>>Documentation should indicate that valid values would match the
> >>
> > regex
> >
> >>>[HG][1-9][0-9]{,3}  (H = Hebrew, G = Greek, 1-4 digit Strong's
> >>
> > numbers
> >
> >>>without leading zeroes; this is the standard format used in most
> >>
> > print &
> >
> >>>software versions.)
> >>>
> >>>--Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Patrick Durusau
> >>Director of Research and Development
> >>Society of Biblical Literature
> >>Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
> >>Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
> >>Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
> >>
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