[osis-core] references and self-ids Part 1 - Assumptions/statements

[Todd Tillinghast]

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> From: owner-osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:owner-osis-
> core@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:18 AM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Re: [osis-core] references and self-ids Part 1 -
> Assumptions/statements
> 
> Todd,
> 
> Great summary. One or two comments below.
> 
> Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> 
> >I have read through the Patrick's most recent posting as well as
several
> >of the other postings.
> >
> >Just to make sure we are all on the same page I put together the
> >following statements with I believe are TRUE and represent our intent
> >with respect to references.  If you don't believe any of these
> >statements to be true please post a response.
> >(I am using the term reference in the broadest sense to mean either
self
> >identification or to mean an external reference that is either work
> >specific or work abstract.)
> >1) The simple part of the reference (ex Gen.1.1) has no meaning
outside
> >of the context of at least a reference system.
> >2) Whether validated or not a reference system defines the set of
valid
> >references.
> >2) There may be zero or more specific works that are compliant with
and
> >use a given reference system.
> >3) In some cases a reference system and a specific work are
equivalent,
> >either because a specific work defines the reference system or
because
> >there is only one instance of the work.
> >4) It is possible to create a reference to a specific work using a
> >reference system that it does not support.  (The
> >translation/transformation would be left to software to resolve.)
> >
> Not sure what this case would look like or perhaps I don't understand
> the statement. Is the reference system used to create the reference
not
> supported by the specific work that is the target of the reference?
Ex.,
> using KJV reference system to address portions of the Quran? Or do you
> mean a reference system that points beyond (grain for example) that is
> not supported by the target work? (KVJ reference system but points to
> fifth word in Matthew 13:1. Since Matthew 13:1 is as far as the
> supported reference system allows references, the grain is not
supported.

What I was thinking of is a reference created based on the French
reference system but specifically pointing to a work that only has "I
am" self-ids for a different reference system.  This will be likely
since in the near future software will cast which ever translation into
your preferred reference system.  As a result people will create
references using the reference system they are familiar with but still
want to "cite" a specific work.

Same could be said for a reference based on the "Ugly American" based
reference system into a French Bible.


> 
> >
> >5) Although a reference system is required, the specific work is
> >optional.
> >
> >
> >It seems that we desire to do the following:
> >A) Self-identify text (mainly verses but also ranges of text,
chapters,
> >and books).
> >B) Have the self-identifying identifiers be tied to a reference
system
> >OR a reference system and a work without having to explicitly state
the
> >reference system and work with each identifier.
> >C) Be able to self-identify text from more than one reference system
> >and/or work within a single document.
> >D) Create references (not self-identification).
> >E) Create a reference to a range of text.
> >F) Describe a reference at greater granularity than the reference
system
> >defines.  (grain)
> >
> Yes to all the desires.
> 
> Way to go Todd!
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Patrick Durusau
> Director of Research and Development
> Society of Biblical Literature
> pdurusau@emory.edu
> 
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