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On 7/5/2010 6:40 PM, SonWon wrote:
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<div>I hope I can continue to help by making suggestions. The design
thought I have is the less taps or actions on the screen to make it
work is better and quicker.</div>
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<div>1) & 2) Here are the windows I would like to flip between on
screen Bible, Commentary, Dictionary, Cross Reference, search list
(would be nice to be able to select these with minimal taps). And
the features / menu picks I would like in a Bible reader, Navigation,
history forward and backward, search. I know I am not thinking of them
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<div>3) More on the table navigation screen. I have given this much
thought, not sure if it makes sense yet so I toss it out to see what
others think.</div>
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<li>First I have to describe how the keyboard input works.
Finger down on a button and a little bubble pops up confirming the
choice. I would like to finger down on the navigation window and a
bubble would pop up showing me what I selected. For example if I
finger down on 'Mat' then a bubble could pop up with 'Mat' or 'Mathew'
in it. If I actually wanted 'Mar' then I could slide my finger to
'Mar' and the bubble would change to 'Mark'. The Bible book selection
would not register until I lifted my finger.</li>
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This is fine, but I think it should be unnecessary if the response is
fast enough. Or a long press takes you to the book directly. <br>
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<li>Once I select the book there should be a button on the screen
to move backward in case I selected the wrong choice.</li>
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That button (back) exists on the phone already and should be enabled
for this type of activity. No need to take up more screen real
estate. Any tabs on the screen should be able to suppressed in a
configuration file and one should be able to use the menu button to
access tab items. The back button could also be used to go to a
previous verse selection. I think the find "button" could easily be
reached with the menu button, again to save screen real estate.<br>
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<li>You are right the table size can be to big for the tiny
screens. So could we draw a table larger than the screen and as you
move your finger around the table could scroll under the finger. The
screen would only show you a portion of the table depending where you
slide your finger to. I would avoid tabs, once you select a book just
jump to the chapter selection table and the same to move to the
verse. There should also be buttons to skip forward to chapter or
verse selection and back to book or chapter in the table or on the
screen somewhere. Drilling to a verse is useful for sermons. So I
think verse selection should be included.</li>
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I don't think the table size is a problem even for fairly small
screens, if properly designed. It isn't on the Palm which has a fairly
small screen. Check out PalmBiblePlus to see what I mean.<br>
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<div>I plan to drop more Bibles and books in the folder soon.
Another problem I noticed is when I goto ESV I get square boxes, I
think it was ESV. Any idea what is causing that, I suspect a font
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It works nicely for other Bibles that I already have for Sword (ESV,
NASB, e.g.). I've observed a small problem in that selecting a
chapter of a book, it fails to go to the beginning of the book, but
goes to the middle somewhere. If I select Job 4, for example, verse 9
is in the middle of the screen. (There also seems to be a small
"shadow" below the tab buttons where nothing is displayed). If the
current book selection is kept, I think it should go to the currently
selected book as a default location rather than the beginning of the
list. Just some suggestions.<br>
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Overall, it could use a little speed up, but I think you are fully
aware of that. <br>
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I have some questions about commentaries and cross-referencing, but
that can wait for another day. The app is working well even as it
is. <br>
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Dave<br>
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<div>And-the-Word sounds okay. If I think of something different
I'll bounce it off you. A splash screen would be great, I wonder what
she comes up with?</div>
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<div>God bless,</div>
<div>~SonWon (John)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Martin
Denham <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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SonWon, That is useful input and thanks for encouragement.
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<div>1. I used Pocket e-sword for years and tabs for
bible/commentary etc is the approach Pocket e-sword used but it uses a
whole row and I found I normally just used 2 tabs (bible &
commentary) so I was planning to initially have a bible/commentary
button on the main menu bar (as you suggest at the end of point 1).</div>
<div>2. I have already switched to using a standard menu on my own
local build after playing with Troy's Bishop. I have only just got an
Android phone and never pressed the Menu button!!!</div>
<div>3. I am not sure how to best fit book/chapter nav on one
screen. I initially tried and failed to copy Pocket e-sword's nav, but
list items are so big on the Android I have thought of putting the
books into a grid, but then that still leaves up to 150 chapters. All
ideas appreciated. I am currently thinking of 2 tabs - tab 1
containing a grid of books and tab 2 a list of chapters. Alternatively
I could have 3 tabs Document/BibleBook/BibleChapter. That would also
remove the Document button from the menu.</div>
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<div>Did you realise you can drop other books from the CrossWire
site into the appropriate place under the jsword dir on the sdcard and
after restarting AndBible you can view them.</div>
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<div>I need to select verses to enable display of the correct
commentary verse associated with the currently viewed bible passage and
I was considering auto verse calculation based on the current distance
scrolled down the ScrollView - that is something I can play around with.</div>
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<div>Last weekend I managed to increase speed considerably by
bypassing some slow DOM creation code - now I just need to work around
a couple of bugs but most docs/chapters display fine.</div>
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<div>I am hoping my youngest daughter will create a splash screen
for the app to distract users from the slowish start up time. Also new
name "and-the-word" instead of "AndBible". What do you think? It
obviously comes from John chapter 1. I thought AndBible was a bit
obvious.</div>
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<div>Best Regards</div>
<div>Martin</div>
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Got it, when I unzipped SdcardBibles it placed the jsword in a
SdcardBibles folder. I moved jsword to root of the sdcard and all is
well.
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<div>Thank you very much. This is a very good start!</div>
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<div>My first suggestion is to place tabs across the bottom to
easily switch between text, like Bible, commentary, dictionary, and
etc.. Maybe this could be done with the menu button?</div>
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<div>Second suggestion, move the navigation buttons into a
menu assessable from the menu button. This will free up space for the
text.</div>
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<div>Third suggestion, make the navigation to a new book,
chapter, and verse a table that fits all on one screen so the user
doesn't have to scroll. I have a lot more suggestions to make about
this area.</div>
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<div>Thanks again!
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Denham <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mjdenham@gmail.com" target="_blank">mjdenham@gmail.com</a>></span>
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Hi SonWon,
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<div>Sorry you had problems. Error handling in the app needs
to be greatly improved on. Did you unzip SdcardBibles.zip to your
mobile's sd card and have you now got a directory named jsword in the
root of your sdcard?</div>
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<div>To uninstall the application you can go to
Settings/Applications/Manage applications/Bible/Uninstall.</div>
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<div>Kind regards</div>
<div>Martin
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 July 2010 14:27, SonWon <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sonwon.1@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonwon.1@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Martin,
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<div>Bad news, I am unable to run the application. I get a
forced closed error? I am using Android version 2.1-update1 on a
Sprint EVO.</div>
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<div>Let me know if there is anything I can do to help solve
this problem.</div>
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<div>Also, how do I uninstall the application?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:11 PM,
Caleb Maclennan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:caleb@alerque.com" target="_blank">caleb@alerque.com</a>></span>
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Martin Denham <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mjdenham@gmail.com" target="_blank">mjdenham@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div>> I have built a working prototype of a bible for
Android mobile phones. The<br>
> prototype uses a slightly modified JSword back-end. You can
download the<br>
> prototype from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/downloads/list"
target="_blank">http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/downloads/list</a>.<br>
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Martin,<br>
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Excellent work, this looks great for a prototype! Keep it up.<br>
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I will be following progress closely and perhaps participating at some
point.<br>
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Caleb<br>
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