[jsword-devel] [And Bible] Clones of And Bible with adverts

Wed Apr 22 07:04:49 MST 2015

Hi Peter,

I'm aware of the context, and that's precisely my objection.
I don't like licenses being used as a big stick to hit people with when the
objection is actually over something else, not over the license.

Jon

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:

> The subject of the thread is how to stop the advertising clones. This is
> therefore not about how to enforce GPL compliance, but how to use non
> compliance.
>
> There are a couple of clones i would consider genuine and decent. People
> have slapped their church logo on it and distribute it with their own
> resources.  Compliance mamagement would be appropriate.
>
> But Martin does not seem to be worried about these, but is concerned about
> rip off ad sellers, possibly distributing illicit bible copies. Harsh
> approaches here seem appropriate.
>
> Peter
>
> On 21 Apr 2015 14:24, Jonathan Morgan <jonmmorgan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > That's the reasoning that said "Apple AppStore is non-GPL compliant".
> From memory, plenty of pragmatic people kept releasing GPL apps on the
> AppStore anyway.
> > Generally, you shouldn't expect a binary distribution channel to be
> geared towards source distribution (and most users don't want it to be).
> So long as the source is made available elsewhere in some form I think most
> people will accept it.
> >
> > GPLv2 was written in a different world.  As software developers, we
> complain about laws from 20+ years ago (often telecommunications) being
> applied to the Internet as it is now, because the world has changed.  I
> think the same applies to GPL v2.  I suspect plenty of projects obey the
> spirit but not the letter of the license, and AndBible itself might be one
> (it's not clear to me from the App Store what license it is other than
> "open source" - though the Google Code page seems to say LGPL.  Nor would I
> say there is a clear "offer" on the App Store or in the program itself that
> I could see).
> >
> > Give these other distributors a chance to comply and provide source (in
> the same way as you would give Martin a chance to comply if you thought he
> was not meeting the letter of the license).  If they don't, then throw the
> book at them for a genuine offence against the spirit of the license.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is not so simple. The code must be clearly offered. If it is not
> then there is a breach. As we talk about shut down a breach, any breach is
> sufficient.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On 21 Apr 2015 02:38, "Trenton D. Adams" <trent at trentonadams.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Not true, GPL does not imply that they must post code publicly.
> However, if a user requests the code, it MUST be given to them.  So, just
> request it be given, and you can post it.
> >> >
> >> > TV manufacturers do this all the time, because they really don't want
> to share the code.  But, they are required to give it to any user that asks
> for it.
> >> >
> >> > On 2015-04-19 5:43 PM, DM Smith wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Martin,
> >> >> Makes me quite angry.
> >> >>
> >> >> Assuming AndBible is GPL. If they modify any part of it they are
> obligated to post the software. I suggest asking them for their fork of the
> code. It has to be public. If they don’t, complain to Google that they are
> violating the license agreement and ask for a takedown on that basis.
> >> >>
> >> >> If they do that, they are free to fork and even make money with it.
> (I don’t like that aspect of GPL.)
> >> >>
> >> >> The GPL is a distribution license, not governing copyright. The GPL
> does protect copyright. You’ll want a clear copyright statement in each and
> every file.
> >> >>
> >> >> Assuming you are the sole author (e.g. code and
> resources/translations), then as the sole copyright owner of AndBible (not
> JSword) you can change your license to anything of your choice. It won’t be
> retroactive. I’m not recommending that, though.
> >> >>
> >> >> I looked at a few of these and it appears that they rip off lots of
> other programs as well. Not sure how to track down the original owners, but
> having a joint effort may be of help.
> >> >>
> >> >> Couple of thoughts:
> >> >> Have a build time attribute that is manually entered, that does one
> or more of the following:
> >> >> - disables a random timer (or event counter) that causes a program
> crash/exit without warning.
> >> >> - disables a random timer that causes a screen declaring that the
> program has been ripped off from AndBible.
> >> >> - show credits, copyright and license when the program is opened for
> the first time each upgrade.
> >> >> Get everyone you know to leave one star reviews for these apps,
> declaring them an rip-off (Just like Peter did).
> >> >>
> >> >> Use an obfuscator to make the code that does such a thing impossible
> to read and hard to reverse engineer. Check it in and appropriately
> copyright it and license it. Make it such that if it is not called that the
> program doesn’t work.
> >> >>
> >> >> In Him,
> >> >> DM Smith
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> DMCA takedown dt licence breach?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 19 Apr 2015 21:38, Martin Denham <mjdenham at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have been informed of various clones of And Bible on Play Store
> and other stores with the only addition being adverts, occasionally
> copyrighted Bibles like NIV, and other oddities like misleading pictures on
> the Play Store page.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Has anybody got any suggestions what to do about these.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here are a couple:
> >> >>>>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ayatalkitab.harian
> >> >>>>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ian.holybible.android
> >> >>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.happydev.bible
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Martin
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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