[jsword-devel] Hebrew/Greek defs as tooltips

[Yingjie Lan]

> > I want to affirm this effort as well. I wonder if
> there is a way to give access to lemma and morphology
> information without having to see the Strong's number,
> lemma, or morphology codes. I know that many users will want
> to see the Strong's numbers, but for those who are trying to
> read in a fluid fashion this clutters the screen. It would
> be nice to have access to the information without cluttering
> the screen. BibleTime implements this nicely using sword. I
> would think that jsword could handle this as well, though I
> speak from ignorance. Perhaps words themselves could be a
> link without the underlined blue text? There is just so much
> to commend BibleDesktop/Alkitab already. This would really
> move things forward when it comes to reading Greek and
> Hebrew
> 
> Any implementation of a tooltip for this info is a great
> plus. And it can be improved from there. Once Yingjie gets a
> good implementation going we should put it in and do a
> release.

I agree. Let's start with the basic implementation, with a flexible design aiming at future improvements. 

Currently, the basic impl could just show the hebrew/greek def when the mouse hovering over a strong's number or the lemma/morph def when hovering over a lemma/morph code.

@DM: I'd be glad to get this done and hopefully soon.
@All: thanks for your participation in this effort and throwing in new ideas and let's keep it open that way and together make it a pleasant thing to use.

Yingjie

> 
> There were several things that drove the current
> implementation:
> 1) By having the words be hyperlined, everything was
> underlined. This caused huge performance problems. By having
> separate links, it was easier to move the mouse over the
> page.
> 2) Without popups we could not present both morphology and
> lemma/strongs. Also some had more than one Strong's number.
> There was no way to have more than one link for a given word
> or phrase, except as we have it.
> 3) Without popups we could not show the data from more than
> one dictionary.
> 
> 
> If you haven't looked at the Bible Tool's handling of
> Strong's numbers and morphology, it is pretty slick. (See http://www.crosswire.org/study/passagestudy.jsp?mod=KJV,
> you may need to Show Strongs and Show Morphology on the
> right). Clicking on a word will cause the phrase tied to the
> Strong's number to be shown in bold and underlined. Also all
> of the words in view that have the same Strong's number are
> also highlighted. The tooltip come up based upon the
> placement of the mouse click.
> 
> The tooltip also has navigation to other features.
> 
> If possible, I'd like to do away with the hyperlinks
> altogether and figure out precisely what word is under the
> mouse.
> 
> I'm looking at flyingsaucer as a possible replacement for
> the current renderer. This may overcome the limitations of
> the current HTML renderer. Also, it appears that it can
> directly render any XML given a stylesheet. So rather than
> converting to html we may be able to directly render OSIS or
> a simple transformation of it.
> 
> In Him,
>     DM
> 
> > 
> > Daniel
> > 
> > On 1/11/2010 7:14 AM, Mullins, Steven wrote:
> >> Wonderful ideas!  Would be a good idea create
> an option for the font
> >> used to render the tooltip for each
> language.  For example, I use
> >> Gentium for Greek and SIL Ezra for Hebrew.
> >> 
> >> Getting closer to BibleWorks!
> >> 
> >> Steve
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Yingjie Lan [mailto:lanyjie at yahoo.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:16 AM
> >> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Hebrew/Greek defs as
> tooltips
> >> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> I am not expert either. but I do create
> the tooltip
> >>> for Alkitab which
> >>>> is using JSword as base.
> >>>> - I just simply add hyperlink entered and
> excited for
> >>> Tooltip displaying
> >>>> - and from the HyperlinkEvent object, I
> get the
> >>> description of the link
> >>>> - and use the description above to
> construct the
> >>> JSword Key object to
> >>>> find the particular text
> (strongs,morph,etc)
> >>>> - then use the usual xslt tranform to
> transform it
> >>> into html text
> >>>> - and finally display it as tooltip
> popup.
> >>>> 
> >>>> If you want to see the code, you can get
> Alkitab
> >>> source code from
> >>>> http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html under
> >>> developer
> >>>> section (public domain).
> >>>> 
> >>> Almost forget, the above is the simple
> version. However, if
> >>> you want
> >>> to integrate with user options/preferences
> things will be a
> >>> little bit
> >>> complex, because you need to format the xslt
> transform
> >>> using user
> >>> options/preferences. And the source book for
> info (eg:
> >>> bible,Hebrew/Greek def book) you also need to
> get it from
> >>> user
> >>> options/preferences (from preferred book
> section).
> >>> 
> >>> And for performance (user perceived
> performance) I need to
> >>> wrap the
> >>> above code using Swing EDT for tooltip
> displaying, due to
> >>> swing slow
> >>> parsing html code
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Tonny Kohar
> >>> -- Alkitab Bible Study
> >>> http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html
> >>> 
> >> Hi, this is very helpful, thank you. I have
> another question: Do you
> >> somehow control the dimension of the tooltip box?
> when there is no line
> >> break, would the tool tip turns out to be too
> long?
> >> 
> >> Cheers
> >> 
> >> Yingjie
> 
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