[jsword-devel] [sword-devel] New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED

Daniel Owens dhowens at pmbx.net
Fri Apr 23 12:33:06 MST 2010

I may be able to work at it in a few weeks. It will need to be 
transformed into TEI for SWORD. I am not so strong on XSLT, so if anyone 
with better skills there would take this on it would go more quickly.


On 4/23/2010 2:03 PM, David Instone-Brewer wrote:
> Sword have a good Hebrew lexicon based on Strongs (corrected by me), 
> but I don't know where such things are stored.
> The guys at openscriptures <http://github.com/openscriptures> have 
> added several more corrections to my corrections, and produced a tidy 
> XML package,
> downloadable at http://github.com/openscriptures/strongs/downloads
> Could this be converted into a replacement Sword module by someone?
> David IB
> At 19:45 23/04/2010, Chris Burrell wrote:
>> Hi Daniel
>> I think to start with we really need a Strong-tagged hebrew sword 
>> module and if possible with the morphology in it. That would help 
>> with the classic interlinears and in particular in their accuracy. 
>> Perhaps that already exists, but I haven't been able to find it.
>> And then as you say, a good Hebrew lexicon would be a great addition. 
>> Hopefully David IB will be able to comment on the best way forward 
>> here. We'll need both at some point, so either would be good!
>> Chris
>> On 22 April 2010 00:07, Chris Burrell <chris at burrell.me.uk 
>> <mailto:chris at burrell.me.uk>> wrote:
>>     Hi Daniel
>>     I'm copying David IB from Tyndale House who is part of Tyndale
>>     House and leading the data side of the project.
>>     A couple of emails have circulated on this previously on our
>>     blogs, which I've tried to capture (in part) on
>>     http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44
>>     http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-45
>>     I'm sure David IB will have more to input on this... I've copied
>>     his original email below
>>     Chris
>>     ==========================================
>>     THis is the best lookup lexicon to use for Hebrew interlinear -
>>     it is tagged to Strongs, includes the pointed Hebrew and has an
>>     abbreviated BDB entry. And the version downloadable from
>>     http://github.com/openscriptures has even more corrections than
>>     mine. For all I know, it might finally be letter perfect! THis
>>     version is also packaged in nice XML which can easily be
>>     converted to any other DB format.
>>     The equivalent lexicon at Crosswire for Greek is, I think, in a
>>     much better state, and didn't need all the work the Hebrew did.
>>     The version of the tagged OT text at
>>     http://github.com/openscriptures is also in very good condition
>>     (prob better than the one at Crosswire). It appears to only
>>     contain PD data - ie it doesn't include the more complete
>>     morphology data which is copyrighted.
>>     David IB
>>     On 21 April 2010 23:22, Daniel Owens <dhowens at pmbx.net
>>     <mailto:dhowens at pmbx.net>> wrote:
>>         Chris,
>>         I am not qualified to contribute code (though I lurk on
>>         sword-devel because of my module-creating disposition), but I
>>         am involved in producing content for the very purpose you
>>         mention. By the way, if you are at Tyndale House now, you may
>>         know Daniel Block. He is my PhD mentor at Wheaton College.
>>         There are two content areas with which I am involved and
>>         would be happy to collaborate on. One is Greek and Hebrew
>>         lexica. Currently at www.textonline.org
>>         <http://www.textonline.org> we are involved in
>>         collaboratively producing a modern replacement for Strongs.
>>         We're starting with a Strongs base but hope to provide a
>>         basic and up-to-date modern equivalent to Holladay for Hebrew
>>         or Newman for Greek, except that they will be released under
>>         a creative commons license. The challenge is finding people
>>         to contribute quality entries with little or no possibility
>>         of accolades in the guild of biblical studies (and certainly
>>         no money!). The other project is a collaboratively produced
>>         morphologically tagged Hebrew text (see
>>         www.OpenScriptures.org <http://www.OpenScriptures.org>). For
>>         that we are looking at Django and Pinax as the applications
>>         for collaborating on putting together the data. For me, the
>>         purpose of this is to fill a void of content for SWORD in
>>         order to serve the global church.
>>         I notice that full-text lexicons are part of the second phase
>>         of your plan. Is there any way we can begin to collaborate on
>>         that? I am open to your suggestions.
>>         Daniel
>>         On 4/21/2010 2:07 PM, Chris Burrell wrote:
>>             *What is Tyndale STEP?*
>>             Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web
>>             application which aims to make ancient texts and maps as
>>             well as timeline data, genealogies, ... accessible to
>>             everyone, scholar and non-scholar alike, so that the
>>             Bible is illuminated by its full ancient context. [see
>>             roadmap below]. Tyndale House will also distribute the
>>             online version to pastors in the third world, who often
>>             can’t afford commercial Bible software.
>>             A wiki page has been set up here:
>>             http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has
>>             a lot more information!
>>             *Who are we looking for?*
>>             We need lots of help!
>>             • *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in Java so
>>             we can do with all the help we can get!
>>             • *User Interface designers*: there is currently a sketch
>>             of the user interface, created more to prove a point. We
>>             need proper guidance to make the software as user
>>             friendly and rich as possible
>>             • *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with a few
>>             extra pairs of hands to helpcollate the data and make it
>>             available to the wider CrossWire community
>>             *How do I start?*
>>             • Get in touch!
>>             • Read through the wiki page:
>>             http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep
>>             • Build the code from:
>>             http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment
>>             • Check out our feature/bug repository:
>>             http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP
>>             • Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at
>>             http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/
>>             <http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> <
>>             http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> (including
>>             timelines and interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles)
>>             • Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get a feel
>>             for the data and programming
>>             As you can see, there’s plenty to do!
>>             *What does the roadmap look like?*
>>             */1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for
>>             standard Bible-study tools:/*
>>             • Bible texts, including original languages, translations
>>             and interlinears
>>             • Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries
>>             concordance searches
>>             • History tools, including an expandable timeline with
>>             scripture links
>>             • Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited
>>             */
>>             /*
>>             */2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic &
>>             linguistic data/*
>>             • Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and
>>             links to pictures
>>             • Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth
>>             • Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised
>>             Palestine
>>             • Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points
>>             of uncertainty
>>             • Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in
>>             tagged texts
>>             */3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern
>>             publications/*
>>             • different possible translations for words and passages
>>             • differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant
>>             • expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles
>>             and books
>>             */4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with
>>             searching:/*
>>             • search other ancient literature for similar passages in
>>             a similar context
>>             • look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature
>>             • view ancient texts with translations where possible
>>             These tools will put centuries of research into the hands
>>             of non-scholars. When the information is laid open like
>>             this, it is easy to see that the Bible is well preserved
>>             and translated, reflecting historical events in real
>>             places, and dealing with issues current in the ancient
>>             and modern work alike.
>>             If you have any more questions or want to get involved,
>>             please do let me know!
>>             Chris
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