[Ichthux-devel] Ichthux as a CDD (Custom Debian Distribution)

[Raphaël Pinson]

Thank you much for these infos, Ben!

This is very interesting, and I really think it would be a good idea to 
consider this option, and register ichthux as a CDD on Debian, and build 
metapackages for the distro :)




On Apr 8, 2005 2:45 PM, Ben Armstrong <synergism at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've talked to you guys a bit on irc, but for the sake of the
> archive-reading audience, I am SynrG (synrg at debian.org) the leader of
> the Debian Jr.[0] project.
> 
> I see no reason why Ichthux should be a splinter distribution, a
> derivative of a derivative (a remastered Knoppix) when it could be
> entirely or at least mostly mainstream Debian work like Debian Jr. So
> long as everything you're doing is DFSG[1] free, and every indication
> from what I have seen so far is that it is, Ichthux qualifies as a
> CDD[2]. Why don't we look at the tools Custom Debian has written so
> far and see if we can hack together a CD mastered straight from Debian
> with them? The tools in sid already are a bit behind the development
> curve, so you might want to look over the debian-custom[3] mailing
> list and figure out what's current. I think simple-cdd[4] might be a
> good place to start.
> 
> Being mainstream means less customization work for the Ichthux
> developers, and broader support for the Ichthux users. Instead of
> relying solely on Ichthux for filing bugs and discussing problems,
> they could confidently draw on the broader Debian user and developer
> community for support, not having to be worried about things being
> done the "Ichthux way" instead of the "Debian way". With derivatives,
> a typical user problem is handled like this:
> 
> bar user: I have a problem with package foo when I use it in your
> derivative bar, can you help?
> 
> bar developer: Sorry, I would really like to, but foo isn't in bar. I
> have never used it, and really don't have the time. Why don't you
> speak to the foo maintainer?
> 
> bar user: OK. Foo maintainer, can you help?
> 
> foo maintainer: Sorry, I would really like to, but I've never used
> bar, and I don't have the time to do a bar install. Have you talked
> to the bar developers?
> 
> Everyone means well, but the poor bar user falls between the cracks.
> With a CDD it doesn't have to be this way. The Ichthux user can file
> bugs directly on their favourite packages (whether they are
> Ichthux-related or not) and the developer won't have to worry about
> Ichthux messing with the system in ways that violate Debian policy.
> If the developer has to talk to another developer, it will be within
> Debian, not in some other project the developer has never heard of.
> 
> Ben
> [0] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr
> [1] Debian Free Software Guidelines http://www.debian.org/social_contract
> [2] Custom Debian Distribution 
> http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian
> [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom
> [4] deb http://debian-np.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
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