<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eekaikko@mail.student.oulu.fi">eekaikko@mail.student.oulu.fi</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Sat, 29 May 2010, Gary Holmlund wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > 3. When I drag a reference below other references inside a folder, it<br>
> > still puts the reference outside that folder. I have to actually<br>
> > hover over the folder to get them in the folder.<br>
> When I drag a reference down from the last bookmark in a folder, I see<br>
> the arrow indented to the level of the last bookmark. If I release then,<br>
> the bookmark will go into the folder. If I move slightly further down<br>
> the arrow moves left indicating that the bookmark will be put outside<br>
> that folder. I think it is working correctly.<br>
<br>
</div>I designed it that way. The arrow should always show where the bookmark<br>
is going. I tried to find an intuitive way, testing some file managers<br>
to see how they do it. The logic is this: if you hover UNDER an item,<br>
the new one is placed under that item, at the same level. If you hover<br>
over an item, the new one is placed inside a folder or under a bookmark.<br>
If it's changed, we have to make sure that it's possible to put a new<br>
bookmark in any place. If dropping under a folder puts it inside the<br>
folder, how can a bookmark be added AFTER the last folder?</blockquote><div> </div><div>I'm sorry, but here you are reasoning as a software developer. While it is a desirable goal to support everything, your average user* only thinks about what they were trying to do, not whether what they were trying to do makes sense in the big UI picture.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, I'm not dropping under a folder, I'm dropping under the last bookmark within a folder. This is clearly (to me) indicated by the fact that I have the mouse under about the middle of that indented item. (I do understand that my intentions are a lot clearer to me than they are to the computer).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I didn't find that the arrow helped me either. I could see that it was trying to tell me something about where it was going to go, but even after using it a few times I wasn't clear where that was (maybe because there wasn't enough difference in indentation levels or something?)</div>
<div><br></div><div>* I'm not an average user.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">
> > 4. When I move a bookmark into a folder, rather than just moving there<br>
> > it pops up a menu. I don't know about Linux, but for Windows this is<br>
> > completely unexpected behaviour (drag = move. If you really want<br>
> > copy, that's Ctrl-drag).<br>
> I have seen one other cross platform program that did this. Most do the<br>
> Ctrl-drag for copy. It may be unexpected, but it is obvious what it is<br>
> doing. If you did not know about Ctrl-drag, you would probably never<br>
> discover it. I would like opinions from others about this.<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, this is a cross-platform issue. Many design decisions have been<br>
made based on KDE. Konqueror and Dolphin use the popup menu, and it's<br>
expected behaviour there. We could change it for Windows version, but I<br>
don't recommend it. I agree with Gary's comment.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For myself, I rarely want copy and frequently want move, so having to do extra steps to do a move is annoying. I suspect for many users it will be more than just annoying, it will be totally unexpected and highly scary (probably related: I'm fairly certain BibleCS has got bug reports because something pulls up a menu unexpectedly - I think clicking on a link).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Jon</div></div>