[bt-devel] Hebrew text rendering

[anthony kerr]

Martin

Thanks for the reply

Sorry I resent a modified version of the email, I couldn't 
remember if I had sent a reply since I emptied my sent mail 
box late last night. (studying too hard). 

I sat my final Hebrew grammar exam today at college. 
Thinking about unicode was a form of procrastination.

I'm not sure there is yet an authoritative way to encode the 
text, please see this discussion

http://www.mail-archive.com/unicode%40unicode.org/msg17551.html
and this
http://www.mail-archive.com/unicode%40unicode.org/msg17444.html

Therefore if we could replace all holams with waw with fb4b 
using regexes without too much effort and produce a 
temporary module that rendered correctly that would be a 
step in the right direction in my opinion. For the problem 
may take some time to resolve.

in Christ
anthony



On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:48 pm, Martin Gruner wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> thanks for the tips. It looks like WLC (the source text
> from WHI) has:
>
> mem-vowel-waw
>
> while Mechon-Mamre has:
>
> mem-waw-vowel
>
> In KDE this results in messed up display; however, in
> OpenOffice it looks different (there are other bugs,
> nevertheless). Do you know of an authoritative source
> about writing Hebrew in Unicode, esp. with regard to
> matres lectionis? Where should the vowel go?
>
> Blessings,
>
> Martin
>
> Am Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 11:44 schrieb anthony kerr:
> > Martin
> >
> > 1 Sam 3 is a text that I have been looking at recently,
> > vs 1-2 will help us.
> >
> > "in his place" in verse 2
> > If we copy this to yudit, and then investigate the
> > underlying characters it seems that the holem is bound
> > to the Mem and not the waw.
> >
> > copy paste from the WLC module
> > for waw the codes are 05d5
> > for the Mem 05de 05b9 0591
> >
> > from http://www.mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c08a03.htm
> > for waw the codes are [fb4b] 05d5 05b9
> > for the Mem 05de 0591
> >
> > The reason that this problem is not more apparent is
> > that with cantillation marks on, there is a character
> > between the Mem and the holem, so it seems the holem is
> > then rendered correctly with the waw.
> >
> > But when there is no cantillation mark the characters
> > collapse.
> >
> > What is fb4b?
> >
> > Is this a problem with the WLC module, KDE, or ?
> >
> > hope this helps
> > anthony
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:13 pm, Martin Gruner wrote:
> > > Anthony, you are right. But this only happens when
> > > vowels are turned on. It could be KDE/QT, it could be
> > > the font, but it could also be a mistake in my WLC
> > > module (ordering of characters). I am not exactly
> > > sure yet. If you could investigate a little, that
> > > would be nice.
> > >
> > > mg
> > >
> > > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> > > > Von: anthony kerr <anton at jesuscentral.net>
> > > > An: bt-devel at crosswire.org
> > > > Betreff: [bt-devel] Hebrew text rendering
> > > > Datum: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:56:25 +1000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have an ongoing problem which I think goes deeper
> > > > than Bibletime, because it exists in Konqueror as
> > > > well. However, Mozilla using Pango does not have
> > > > this rendering bug.
> > > >
> > > > holem waw and sometimes yod will collapse into the
> > > > previous consonant .
> > > >
> > > > How should I go about pursuing this bug? It is very
> > > > annoying if somewhat minor.
> > > >
> > > > in Christ
> > > > anthony Kerr
> > > >
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